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Monday, 18 May 2015

James Hassinger If pit bull owners can prove their pit bulls are as well trained as this one I would feel a lot safer. Seems the problem is most pit bulls are not trained and they're random strays that shelters know nothing about but claim they're good with kids and other dogs and repeat fantastic lies like "pit bulls are nanny dogs". Until pit bull advocates stop lying about pit bulls they will continue to kill and be banned


Nicholas Valentine
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Recently on this site there has been some discussion as to wether it is possible to call off an attacking Pit Bull and I was challenged by some people on here to provide video evidence that this could in fact be done . The following video was the first one I looked at but there are a whole pile more featuring different dogs for anyone who has a mind to research the subject . You will see that the dog responds to commands to release several times over , with the handler standing some distance away .
Schutzhund/IPO 2 Protection Routine with Pitbull
Little Emma attaining her IPO2 at 2013 CNBSC Club Trial in Fredericton, New Brunswick with 90 points and pronounced!
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  • Nicholas Valentine Please watch , Sarah Howard .
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  • Carol MillerNicholas, it is POSSIBLE to do a great many things. Schutzhund enthusiasts spend a great deal of time training their dogs and have the skills to do so. You have produced a video to prove something that we all know to be true. 

    The issue is not "pos    sible" it is "probable." Most pit bull owners do not train their dogs. As far as skills go, they lack the basic skills to train their dogs to come when called. This is where the danger lurks with pit bulls. 

    Come up with a number of videos of pit bulls on the streets that obey a command to "drop it" while attacking small dogs or children. You will watch a bazillion videos of pit bulls being hit with boards, bricks, all manner of garden implements, attempts to drag the pit off the victim, but none that show a voluntary retreat from an attack in progress.
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  • Julie WallMost people who adopt a pit bull don't even understand that to be a responsible owner you should own a break stick and know how to use it. 
    What most rescues and shelters fail to tell people who adopt pit-bull type dogs; Pit-Bull Rescue Central, the le    ...See More
    Pit Bull Rescue Central
    Pit Bull Rescue Central is a virtual shelter for homeless Pit Bulls, Am Staffs and Pit Mixes.
    PBRC.NET
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  • Julie Wall The reason you need a break stick is because it is so hard to call them off when their genetic's kick in.
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  • Jeff Holden There is a big difference between biting the sleeve and an actual attack on a human. More often than not biting the sleeve is a game to the dog, they aren't in a real "fight" mode.
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  • Dennis Ballance Sr I would prefer if you controlled the beast and not have to call him off or pry him off. It is not on my bucket list to be attacked by a dog and I plan to stop it if possible before it happens
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  • Paris Wolf That is a very well trained pitbull. The handler can be proud of the training she did with this dog to get to this level in Schtzhund. Rare is the owners of pitbull type dogs that can train a dog to that level of obediance and protection work. Enjoyed watching this video. Thanks for sharing this.
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  • Jeffrey SloanYa gotta love how they trot out the old "pit bulls may not start fights but they will finish them" - first of all, pit bulls always start fights. And yes, pit bulls do finish the fight, regardless of whether the victim fights back, submits, cries or t...See More
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  • Nicholas Valentine I agree with you Paris , it is always a pleasure to watch anything being done really well . If all dogs were trained to this standard there wouldn't be any problems in society , but as we all know that this isn't the case .
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  • Eve SylvieAnd this is why I say, if someone like Cesar Millan wants the challenge of owning a pit bull, go for it. But you better be well-prepared and able to provide for the needs of this breed of dog. It's not the breed for novice dog owners, and not even for most experienced dog owners. If you're willing to pay for training, a secure system of confinement, insurance, registration, veterinary care, etc., then go for it. But if you're acquiring a pit bull for other reasons, think twice.
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  • Rachel SimasIf a dog needs to be that well trained in order to be considered 'safe' it's too great of a risk to be owned by the general public and should be subject to heavy restrictions on ownership. The majority of dogs don't receive any training at all and are still wonderful pets. This emphasis on training is a new trend and it's being driven by the swarms of dog trainers that have popped up in recent years as a way for them to drum up more business. Suddenly now that there's a dog trainer on every corner we are being told that we should all have to be concerned about getting special and expensive training for our dogs. Coincidence? I don't think so. Besides, it's like Jeff Holden said, even all that training won't mean a thing once the dog is out of training mode and is in fight mode. Ask a beagle owner about how instantly deaf their dogs get when they pick up a scent, no matter how responsive to commands it had been during training. Genetics supersedes training.
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  • Earl Upham I would prefer to see how this same dog acts when let out on the street with children playing and people walking and riding their bikes and walking their dogs both big and small. A controlled environment proves nothing more than the dog likes to work and enjoys it but what happens when it has been bored all day and gets out of the yard?
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  • Ricky Prince Dude. Knock yourself out. When you get all 6 million pit bulls trained this good let me know
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  • Harve Morgan Ace, how many of those pits were tranquilized before the meet? I know some that have been.
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  • Sarah Howard Earl Upham Thats an important point. From the start of the trial, this dog was "under control" and instincts were inhibited. If the dog were loose, disinhibited then the story could have been different. This video proves nothing regarding pit bull self initiated attacks.
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  • Ricky Prince Nicholas Valentine said: If all dogs were trained to this standard there wouldn't be any problems in society , when the more realistic thing to say is: If pit bulls did not exist , most of the remainder of the domestic canine population would not need to be trained this good. Did you really think you could make some sort of impact here for whatever your not so hidden agenda is?
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  • Eve SylvieIt would be interesting to know the breeding of this dog. Because people who work with other breeds know certain lines are better at specific tasks. Take a popular breed like Golden Retriever. There are Golden Retrievers bred for different purposes. Dogs used for hunting are not used as service dogs, and dogs bred for the show ring are not used for hunting - usually. New Brunswick is in Canada. There may be a breeder of APBT show dogs that bred this one. In the US most people acquire pit bulls from rescues or friends and neighbors. The people who buy pit bulls from breeders in the US are usually looking for a specific innate trait - one that is dangerous and should be illegal.
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  • Ricky Prince On wait a minute. The dog in the video is unidentifiable.
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  • Laurel Davisnot to be negative, but my cousin's pit was trained to this standard. her pit was officially a canine officer and for years served without incident. On off days my cousin and her husband would go to the park and show off--him wearing the bite sleeve, her giving the dog orders that were flawlessly obeyed. One day, during the show, Jade (the pit) turned on a child--and would not let go--despite my cousin and her husband doing everything they could. She would have killed that child except for the quick thinking of a groundskeeper--who devised a make shift breakstick. My cousin was court ordered to put the dog down--and has a judgement against her that she will be paying for the rest of her life. Apparently, for the dog work was work--and it could do its job and obey flawlessly. But when the instinct to kill kicked in--she reverted to instinct--ignoring all that training. After the attack she seemed bewildered and confused--like why did I do that? In my opinion, it is possible for even the best trained to revert to instinct.
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  • Sarah Howard Laurel Davis I cannot "like" that comment, its sadly horrible but I appreciate you sharing that. Instinct trumps training with these dogs.
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  • James Hassinger If pit bull owners can prove their pit bulls are as well trained as this one I would feel a lot safer. Seems the problem is most pit bulls are not trained and they're random strays that shelters know nothing about but claim they're good with kids and other dogs and repeat fantastic lies like "pit bulls are nanny dogs". Until pit bull advocates stop lying about pit bulls they will continue to kill and be banned
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  • Carol Miller Laurel Davis, Angela Provo described the same behaviors after her family pit bull killed her son. She said Kissy Face seemed confused and like she expected Beau to get up and play with her. Angela owned the mother of Kissy Face, bred the litter, had Kissy Face in her home for eight years before the attack.
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  • Eve Sylvie I remember that description from Angela. It made me think of these dogs as becoming "possessed" in a sense. This line from the song Dead Game alludes to it - " the chemical in my brain tells me let me off this leash".
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  • Eve Sylvie One thing that really bothers me about this video - look at the chain on the dog's neck. Why can't he wear a pretty collar like other types of dogs?
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  • Julia LewisCertainly brilliantly trained, that pit bull. It does show that they can be called off, as Merritt Clifton proved when he asked the pit bulls that were attacking a jogger to "sit" and they did, also my example of when a pit bull jumped on my spaniel from behind with a terrible growl, but when his owner called him off, he went rushing back to him. It is certainly possible to train them. But, most people aren't capable of that level of training and then there is the chance that their genetics will kick in when they are out of their training situation.
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  • Lucy MuirThat is exactly what several service dog organizations have said, Laurel Davis. They strongly advise against using dogs who have to be trained and under control to not attack, for example, because even if the dog behaves superbly under command, what is needed is a dog that DEFAULTS to appropriate GENETIC behavior when things go wrong. This is especially true for handlers with PTSD or emotional or cognitive disabilities, for example, who have periods of time when they are not functioning well and cannot be in control of their dog. You must have a dog that defaults to calm. 

    We can't overstate the importance of the balanced minds and good nature of these dogs for their job as psychiatric service dogs. It is critical that our dogs are going to be calm and stable "on their own" without the necessity of great guidance and leadership from their handler. When living with someone who has fluctuating weak energy and leadership skills, such as anyone with a psychiatric disorder, a dog will revert to its genetically bred instincts and/or to default behaviors learned in puppyhood. Skilled training can override weaknesses in temperament and high-drive instinctual behaviors, but our PTSD handlers will not be able to maintain training over the top of these things. The longer the team spends together, the more the dog's training would "unravel" and revert to the genetic predisposition of the dog. Examples of this would be an unbalanced German Shepherd who falls back inappropriately to his instinct to guard and bite when threatened, or a herding dog who neurotically begins nipping at the feet and heels of anything that moves around his person. With the greyhounds their default is to either relax, or quietly withdraw into themselves. As a result, they don't act out, become dangerously unbalanced, or create problems for their handlers or the public. They are able to maintain and return to their trained behaviors with relative ease.These gentle, intelligent, and malleable dogs respond very well to our positive training methods. They are able to perform the many kinds of tasks and work that most benefit people who face the daunting challenge of living with PTSD."

    http://h4htb.org/why_greyhounds_

    you cannot train away genetically controlled temperament and behavior.
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  • Julia Lewis I agree with Rachel Simas about this fashion for "training". Dogs never used to be "trained" and they lived perfectly happily with their families. All they needed to know was to come when called and to sit.
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  • Jeff Holden It is extremely expensive to get a dog trained and titled Schutzhund 1. Even if they wanted to the average per owner can't afford the financial cost or has the time.
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  • Julia Lewis I'd like to know how much training went into making that pit so perfect at that job he had to do.
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  • Carol Miller Jeff, how long, roughly, does it take to train a decent dog to a Schutzhund title? Is it like Obedience where you have to pass the same test multiple times or is it once and done? How many of these Schutzhund trials are there per year?
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  • Jeff Holden Honestly I don't know for sure. I looked into it for my GSD but the price scared me off, I can't afford it. My guess is two to three years to get to sch3 if you work very hard.
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  • Julia Lewis I'd like to see that same pit in a home situation, or out and about in the street.
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  • Lesley Karen LuscombeMy opinion here, is that there is an additional layer of 'attack' when it comes to Schutzhund versus Actual Victim.

    It is called blood.

    Blood and flesh. And screams. And attempts to break away and run. The excitement and the thrill. The taste, the smells, the sight.

    Call off a Pit dog from THAT, and we can make comparisons.
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  • Julia Lewis Good point, Lesley!
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  • Lesley Karen Luscombe Jeff Holden (above) thankfully recognised and covered it, but I wanted to expand and create images through words. I hope people understand better now.
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